Yvonne
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Post by Yvonne on Jan 12, 2008 11:51:00 GMT 1
Yvonne was a little nervous, she'd not had many opportunities to speak at a Moot as anything more than a cub... but she had been rited and she knew she had as much right to speak as anyone else. "Someone should contact the Ratkin, they are probably still angry at having the servants of the Wyrm led into their territory." She wasn't going to name names, it may have been exclusively Kasiya's mistake that they potentially lost a useful ally but that could be discussed more privately. He did seem to respond very badly when people pointed out his mistakes and Yvonne didn't want to make him embarass himself again. Caitlin earns a look, as if it wasn't easy enough to tell she was foreign... "No-one passes easily into the west, especially not if they can't make their way by the spirit world and that is still dangerous. However they might already have... family here." Yvonne was a little disgusted at the use of the term, they were probably all family over there in some way or another.
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Kamut
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Post by Kamut on Jan 12, 2008 12:05:27 GMT 1
Kamut regards Caitlin calmly, considering momentarily her repeating of some ancient words of dubious wisdom. "The Ratkin are a powerful ally, I have not been here long enough to know for sure but I would imagine that they would have control of the sewers, yes? That would give access to the East side without resorting to attempting the wall or facing the dangers of the Umbra?" He is a little suprised at Kasiya's eagerness, though hardly as much as he would of been if he hadn't overheard that Kasiya had defiled the caern. "That is a claim you make with certainty, do you already know where to begin? Did the ghosts you brought into the Caern give you some clues?"
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Nadezhda
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Shodim s uma.
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Post by Nadezhda on Jan 12, 2008 12:14:24 GMT 1
At Danny's indication, Nadezhda takes a seat. Of course, having misses the introduction she doesn't care where she sits and ends up on the seats to Danny's right. She draws on her cigarette as she considers the flow of ego going on around her... everyone seemed to have missed the important question. "So what is this human threat you've mentioned? Building an army of what?"
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Kasiya
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Post by Kasiya on Jan 12, 2008 13:46:45 GMT 1
Normally tolerant of Mules, to bear the scorn of a sterile freak is more than Kasiya is willing to do. The cold gaze that swiftly slides to his Lupus Tribesmate says it all. The ignorant rarely comprehend the drives and urges of his Auspice. He would set the Shadow Lord straight in private. There was no need to make it public.
"I will find this Kin with the guidance of the spirits. Your help would be welcome. I can find the Kin but to free it may be beyond me."
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Post by Danny on Jan 12, 2008 14:25:16 GMT 1
Danny acknowledged Kasiya's offer with a simple nod.
Then he turned to address Caitlin's question. It was not uncommon for foreigners to underestimate exactly how restricting the wall was. He smiled when Yvonne answered the question for him. "She's right. Nobody passes the wall freely," he said. "It would be even harder for kin. The Ratkin are potential allies too. If they have not yet taken sides, we should get to them before the other side does. We have an ally in their ranks, but..." He glanced at Vasara when he said that. They both knew how risky it would be to trust Karin to anything that didn't include complete destruction. "The Ratkin have control of the sewers, yes," he said to Kamut. "They say they don't deal with Garou. They seem to have made a notable exception last week, and I do think they might have regretted it. We do have Karin however. If she can talk the colony around, then we might have a powerful ally in the city."
Then, to Middle Born: "Any little detail might help. We already know where to start."
Finally, he looked at Nadezhda. "They call themselves scientists," he said. "They believe that logic and reason can explain everything. They need to explain us, and that's where things get troublesome. For a long time they have been taking our kin and studying what makes them different. Their soldiers are immune to our delirium, and they know what makes us tick. They attacked us with silver. We must not underestimate them."
He left them room for some more questions before he moved on.
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Caitlin
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Post by Caitlin on Jan 12, 2008 15:06:46 GMT 1
Caitlin coughed, and she coughed loudly, now she herself was altogether not the kindest to metis, however he had confirmed her thoughts at least to some points and for that she was thankful. He got a smile and a wink.
The newcomer, the woman got a nod, she had asked a reasonable and intelligent question though the fianna assumed that if they had known what the enemy was ‘building’ then he would have told them. She had her suspicions. However that was not what was on her mind at present…oh no…
“If I might speak?” She turned to Danny in a deferential manner.
“When you speak of spirits….” Caitlin smiled at the dark wolf, though the smile was feline rather than friendly “I do hope you are not speaking of the dead, and rather more…how shall I put it, Gaia friendly ones, ones that are more 'living' and alive.” She paused then and rolled her shoulders in their sockets though the fianna still appeared relaxed. “I would hate to think of the trouble a rogue wraith or worse a spectre might bring.” Yes she might be considered a fool, a ragabash with a smart mouth, or actually just a mouth but had learned a good deal in her time, not through choice through necessity.
“I have seen first hand what a wraith can do, the destruction it can cause, the death just one can bring… and remember not all of us can traverse their lands. So you can hold that ace… ” The fianna’s lip curled for she did not believe that brought him status after all she danced with the fae but did not assume that made her some how above everyone. “And I am sure you know that too.” The Fianna seemed well versed in knowledge of wraiths even if she was some what prejudiced in the matter.
Caitlin considered now the matter of the new enemy now, she was not positive but it did not sound like the wyrm…
She spoke again because she was not one to hide most of her thoughts, and if that was not appreciated well they could kick her out…big fucking deal. “I cannot be sure but these people sound more ‘weaver’ perhaps than wyrm. I am no expert but it is my opinion, for what it is worth.”
"I appologise now for my forthright mouth and my manner, but to hide ones voice to hide ones thoughts in my opion can harm more than protect." Thus far Caitlin had learned secrets could kill...hopefully she could avoid that here.
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Anna
Garou
Der Wahnsinn ist nur eine schmale Br?cke
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Post by Anna on Jan 12, 2008 15:45:27 GMT 1
The word 'Spectre' was new, but they were always willing to explain if it meant upsetting her. Ghosts gone bad. Bitter, tormented spirits that hate everything living or dead or in between. You've spoken to some of them. They are the stuff of nightmares. You were very foolish to bring them here.
Cubs weren't supposed to speak at moots. Anna seemed to have forgotten that momentarily. "They weren't spectres," she said. "They were tortured lost children. I know because I spoke to them every single day when I was there. They were tormented and scared and lost, but they weren't evil. Anyway, they have gone on now."
She turned to look at Danny. Nobody else seemed to want to mention this, and since she had already spoken, she might as well keep going. "What about the Hag?" she asked. "You've seen what she does. We can't let her live! She took these children and she tortured them, and ate them, and then she bound them to that place so they could never leave. She is evil. We have to kill her."
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Kasiya
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Post by Kasiya on Jan 12, 2008 18:35:22 GMT 1
Kasiya merely sits. He will not lower himself to bickering over semantics in the midst of a moot. If she had cause to challenge him then so be it. Otherwise, he would not fuel her tirade. Like the Mule, she, and her disrespect for the mysteries could be dealt with in private and a proper sense of humility restored. Anna, Vasara, Simeon and Danny understood. That was enough. Thus far they were the only ones to hold his respect.
Dignity. Something you lack Ragabash.
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Adiyah
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Post by Adiyah on Jan 12, 2008 22:47:56 GMT 1
Adiyah had spent the day with Keith. After all that had happened, it was nice to have a quiet day, just with her little boy.
She had called Danny earlier and explained that Klaus was due home late, as it was his frist day of the job here, and it was necessary. So when he had arrived home, she kissed them both and headed back to business.
She followed the sound of voices, catching the subject matter at hand, and she paused when she saw them all.
"Good evening, sorry I am late."
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Tony Vasara
Fostern
Judgment from the Skies
Manche f?hren, manche folgen
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Post by Tony Vasara on Jan 12, 2008 23:14:11 GMT 1
"I asked Kasiya about those ghosts and would they compromise the caern, as I am NOT theurge. He IS and thus knows about these kind of things. Final decision was mine based on his opinion." Vasara said with icy tone "His purpose is to Know." Vasara's lone eye drilled on Caitlin "As your's is to Question."
"If there is a way to find our lost kin, we will use it. We have seen Weaver can be as much an enemy as Wyrm, and here in Berlin it looks like those have joined forces based on what we have seen in last week." Vasara looked at Anna "Hag? We need to know more about her if we are to fight her. But not before your Rite of Passage."
"We need to gather all of our allies and keep our eyes open for possible new ones. Ratkin could be difficult to deal with and our... ally among them is a bit fickle. Fierce, but weird. Fool even tried to attack me once. But we should try to meet her. " Vasara was considering the options and finally seemed to acknowledge the arrival of another new face as Nadezhda came on the Pack's side. "Which brings me to another question... Who the Hell are YOU?"
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Yvonne
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Post by Yvonne on Jan 13, 2008 0:26:26 GMT 1
Most of the conversation about ghosts goes well over Yvonne's head, which is probably a good thing since heated discussion wasn't the best place for Ahroun. She would deal with Kasiya later, for now she focuses on the things that were more her territory and addresses Danny. "When did they attack you? What happened?" Yvonne looks around at the other curiously. Caitlin was indeed quite a motor-mouth but she demonstrated knowledge that could be important, if Kasiya would ever listen to anyone. Vasara too was regarded in a new light, she wasn't about to think well of him on a personal level but she couldn't deny he demonstrated even judgement.
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Kamut
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Post by Kamut on Jan 13, 2008 0:34:35 GMT 1
Kamut maintains a neutral expression, to be blanked like that was a supreme accomplishment amongst Ragabash but he wasn't about to admit it. The matter would be resolved and he looked forward to it. Everything else however seemed to be in hand so Kamut did what he did best, he waited and listened to everything.
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Nadezhda
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Shodim s uma.
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Post by Nadezhda on Jan 13, 2008 1:11:35 GMT 1
"I guess I better not let them shoot me then." She grins, that was going to be a challenge. The argument around her was thoroughly boring, yet again the Ragabash were pointing out mistakes. Talk about rescuing kin was hardly any better. "Some silver bullets certainly wouldn't go amiss, I haven't yet secured a source of them..." Otherwise, the only one to get her attention was Vasara, at his demand she takes another tug on the cigarette as she looks over the big scarred guy with interest. She grins. "I'm Nadezhda."
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Kasiya
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Post by Kasiya on Jan 13, 2008 7:21:17 GMT 1
Sitting alone, he suddenly does not feel so. Kasiya experiences a surge of gratitude to the Fenrir, and although he had disagreed with his methods earlier, accepts that he's a good man and one true to his convictions.
You pay a high price for your choices and who am I to question? You do the best you can and we should be grateful that you do.
He still doesn't move or speak out again, but feels a lot happier, having had both Anna and Vasara speak out on his behalf. The Mule had quietened down too. Things were looking up.
While happier, he is still perplexed about the two Garou's persistent anxiety about the dead. The children were here briefly, then laid to rest. It had been a good learning experience for Anna, the skulls had been cleansed, the Caern is as it always was. It was fear of the unknown, he was sure of it. Most Garou however, had the sense to leave addressing unknown mysteries to the Theurges. Neither of them, he was sure, was even aware that during the past week in between visiting bereaved parents and passing on the last messages of little murdered children he had been spending hours in the Umbra tending the Caern spirits, carrying out small acts of service and ensuring that their few allies in the spirit world remained content to be so. He was used to it by now.
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Post by Middle Born on Jan 13, 2008 11:00:18 GMT 1
Middle Born was finding it a little difficult to keep up with all the conversations as her German was not as it might be, the conversation about the wraiths was not her concern, or rather it was because it could have affected the caern but the matter seemed to have been resolved or at least in her mind. However she was interested in finding this kin, and had made her offer, whether the loner would really take her up on the matter was another question.
She sat still quietly, watching all that went on, and drawing in the information into her mind and translated it as best she could.
The newcomer got a look of interest, it was another person to watch, but at least she used an accent that the Shadow Lord understood.
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